PETITION for Freedom to Dance

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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

19 Март 2009 г. 20:30

heartwarming to see how many Candians follow the national Constitution and believe in Freedom unlike CADA and CDF,

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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

19 Март 2009 г. 23:24

@Sambatogo, 

 if you need Onyourtoes to talk you out of believing you are loosing your mind, (not being a doctor), may  I suggest you are in trouble ?

You either  misjudge Richards, or you do not command the language well - just as you probably did not want to use the word "infestation by Canadians ",  all you needed  was  to admit a mistake, or, say nothing,  just do not defend such an unbecoming, and a disrespectful  expression.  I am not here to teach manners....but Richards would respect Sambatogo more.

Sambatogo commnted about "respect "

Just because Richard can respect a person wishing to commit a suicide,  person who bets large sums of  money on a stock market, gambles,   drives motorcycle like a maniac without a helmet, stands up in a canoe not  wearing a life jacket,  uses a snowmobile on a thin ice,    it  does not mean Richards  agrees with such actions.  It has nothing to do with "respect".

Richards also  respects Petition for Freedom to Dance, just disagrees the way it was set up,  and questions the use, application and interpretation of the final numbers and the available data provided by the signors. 

Sure it is "just a petition",  but if it i  "just"  would that not indicate its decreased  value ?

Keep on signing if you believe it is of a value,  just ask yourselves ,  if the petition is signed by 3000 people,  what will that mean  ?  That 3000 out of  all people around the World want to dance free of restrictions ?   Does it mean the rest of the World dancers  did not sign because they :

A)  do not want to dance in freedom, free of  restrictions- enjoy their rules, cherish the restrictions, and punishments  ?   Would you say these people are probably also mutilating their bodies, visit dominatrices, sadomasochists ?

B)  are  scared,  afraid of their  even  scarier ,  tyrant like  organizations and what they could possibly do t them if  they were identified as members ?      WHAT do you think  these organisations COULD  DO to their members id the signed the petition ? I s it against their rules not to sign such petitions ? 

C)  did not know ?   If the had known ,   "perhaps"  half of them would have signed the petition ?  NO,  even better, "perhaps"  3/4 of them would have signed,  and the  rest  belong under the above  A) and B)    ?

D)  were on vacation, had no Internet access, do not speak English  etc ?

E)  think of other reasons...sick, blind, not allowed by the parents to use Internet without supervision , and the parents were not available ?

NOW WHAT ?   You  have 3000 signatures, as correctly stated elsewhere,  representing 1500 dance couples . ( lets do not split hairs, some can be singles, I gave you few thousands extra, do not be picky )

You would not suggest that just one party of the dancing couple would agree to support the petition and the other half would not sign ? Of course the both partners they would sign.

So NOW we have 1500 dance couples who signed petition.   What percentage of the total number of dancers who could have signed ( if they wanted ) does  3000  signatures ( or 1500 couples) represent ?

Majority,  minority ?

Probably a vast minority, would you not say ?   Was it not mentioned, your association alone has a few thousands freedom to dance signing members already ?  Diamondgirl has mentined the country, no need to repeat it again.   

 Richards had received a directory which lists registered dancers, address, phones, the country they represent ( no mistakes there ).  Richards does not want to say how many  names are in the book,   but if 3000 would represent the only people who wish to dance without restrictions - the result would be disappointing,  even embarrassing  for those wishing to make a statement with the petition.

Please realize , the current 900 has a ways to go to reach 3000 ,   in fact 2100,     but good luck !

What Richards suspects is that WDC would like to see signatures of  a few ,  the more the better ,  of the better  known dancers who belong to the IDSF "camp".  These are the names which could be used to say: "See, I told you, even "such and such"  are for freedom, look at the IDSF members signing: a true  sign of the beginning of the IDSF's  end  !  ".....and so on.

More likely,  as someone else had suggested, the e-mail list will be passed on, even  sold,  to dance competition organizers who would  be willing to organize a comps. under the WDC sanctions,  so that they could  send out  invitations to those who could  be tempted, persuaded, after all that would the the opportunity to attend the competition they agreed to support - free of restrictions.

Richards respects the decisions people make to sign , or not sign, and respect the petition,  but believes it will have as much effect  as the spinning wheels of a car, stuck in the mud.  Lots of  noise and lots of smoke, but car goes nowhere,   just becomes  stuck a bit deeper.

But don't take if from Richards, wait and see, we all are young enough to live to  see the outcome.

Richards only feels there are better things WDC to spend creative energy, better ways to get their train back onto the right tracks and into motion.  Antagonism,  underminding IDSF authority will not work.

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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

20 Март 2009 г. 01:30

You sound like Jazz

smd
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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

20 Март 2009 г. 09:20

@sambatogo: I also think that richards sounds like jazz.. I also think that their posts are dificult to decipher and seem to come when someone they disagree with makes a good point!. Do you think that is deliberate?

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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

20 Март 2009 г. 15:52

To SMD,

It could be SMD? Just trying to look like there are more people with the same shall we say "Abstract" Ideas.  Due to lack of real support.

But we will give them the benifit of the doubt for now.

Thanks, Sambatogo. 

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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

20 Март 2009 г. 16:10

Richards,

Sambatogo agrees" that the WDC would indeed like more better known IDSF dancers to sign the petition" But we all know that they are scared to do so because of the militant reactions that they would be forced to endure, make no mistake! They all get outof IDSF when they can, don`t they.

If the IDSF really believed they were right,  they would allow an independant survey amongst IDSF members to decide for themselved if they want this. The IDSF will never do this.

Or 

Stop the bans and allow IDSF dancers to dance as they wish freely.

The IDSF under the current "10 year aniversary leadership" As quicktime 2 puts it ,IDSF will never do it. Because as one other smart forum member said { was it geronimo or onyourtoes} 

" Bans are only there because it is to stop people doing what they would otherwise do."

Indeed right . As they want to do.

HOW RIGHT IS THAT?

Sambatogo also finds that so many IDSF supporters of bans, try every angle to defend IDSF. Yet offer no solutions except that they have to be respected because they are who they are. And the WD cmust always come running to the IDSF for solutions.

Well those days have seemed to have passed.

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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

20 Март 2009 г. 16:12

With due respect sambatogo but people with abstract ideas are often more creative, something sadly lacking in our dance world at the moment.

Strange that really when much of our world is very abstract and creative.

Best wishes

Steve

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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

20 Март 2009 г. 17:11

Keggs,

"strange that really when much of our world is very abstract and creative." How tue keggs!

Thats why dancesport is an art, and not a sport, as in IDSF and IOC.

But sambatogo used creative to try and be somewhat polite.

 

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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

21 Март 2009 г. 01:04

 

But sambatogo used creative to try and be somewhat polite.

 

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sambatogo

Minime:

You are pathetic!

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Attempt to be  " creative" and  "somewhat polite"  ?

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Re: PETITION for Freedom to Dance

21 Март 2009 г. 06:35

No minime you can't say that!

 Pathetic has been used so frequently to describe your posts that it belongs to you. Hands down. No contest. It is not fair for you to try to place it against someone else. You have sole possession by popular opinion. If you must reply be creative, somewhat polite and use one of your other names.

 

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