Re: Does it need to be bull #@! ???
11 Юни 2009 г. 14:23
I actually like the idea of the most Favorite, I also watch So you think you can dance, and the best dancers- in my opinion- do not get necessarily ( in fact never have ) the majority public vote. But I accept it. After all, the majority selected their favourite, not necessarily the best.
Onyortoes defends the present system. OK. Fine. Live with inadequate system believing it cannot be improved. Believe that one or two judges who do not do their job and whose "preference" skews the results of the rest do not count, and that their 5 ( undeserved) recalls do not matter.
Different point if view may be in the interpretation of results: I am not at all minding 1,6, 1,2,1 results if a competent, fair judge sees dancer doing something which deserves 6th places, HOWEVER I disagree if judge gives 6th to a couple who can threaten the judge's very own couple who he/ she places way higher , even gives them 1st places in all dances. ( talking just about the finals, never mind the judge's help in the earlier/ lower rounds, where this judge may short better dancers by "wasting" precious recalls on his/her " FAVORITE" ). I agree and like a judge awarding different standings for the same couple in all 5 dances - that shows the judge is Judging, see differences, I do also not like 11111. 22222 etc marks by the same judge to same dancers, and know judges who mark this way, they mark the score sheets even before the music starts and dancers take the first step. They also may be correct in the end, as they pre-judge, marking the known couples based on historical ( usually good ) results, but it is pre-judging and unfair to others nevertheless - even if the outcome coincides with others....
No one would like to see 1111111, 2222222 etc marks unless of course ( not even the couple receiving the marks - they would probably not consider the event worthy attending as they would have no challenge...)
I would agree with onyourtoes about all he/ she says about the judges, IF the World of dancesport was ideal, and IF the few corrupted judges , the few, not the majority, and not all the judges , but the biased, on-the-take, the incompetent judges, something I stressed from the start, something which the majority have agreed on, something which onyourtoes continues to suggest is "a flaw ", did not exist.
But they do, they are known, statistics support the observation, and all I ask is that they are weeded out, disciplined, brought to the attention of a supervisory body, and made accountable.
If we deny existence of a problem, if we intentionally deny problem exists stressing there are more urgent problems, that this problem is something we must live with, than we must accept to live with the consequences.
These "bad" judges give bad name to the majority of judges ( I said majority ), these rotten apples spread their disease onto others, and when the better judges see what is going on, they may inadvertently try to favor dancers whom they may see as a target of the "known" corrupted judges, in the effort to balance the score.
Thank you all for the helpful comments , if you like the present system and wish to live with Bull #@! and accept the Bull#@!, for whatever reason you have, so be it. I would like to see the problem acknowledgement, some form of corrective action, improvement for the betterment of our dancesport and public opinion. This FAVOURITE vote is worth a consideration 
I accept majority opinion. If what we have is the best we can have, so be it, if we cannot improve on what we have and decide to accept the flaws, so be it, after all there are many with the heads in the sand and they appear to be quite happy, sometimes life is easier and a nice place when we do not see all the bull#@! , at least we do not need to deal with it.
Bye.
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