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openeyes Joined on 07 Януари 2009 Total posts: 28	IPDSC today 09 Август 2009 г. 06:54 Word on the street is That there is now disarray within the organisation. That relations with IDSF are strained. Not hard to believe. Every Professional in IPDSC could have joined IDSF in their "No Professional, No Amateur" days but snubbed IDSF and chose not to. Those same Pros are now learning that IDSF rules them.
jazz Joined on 07 Април 2005 Total posts: 444	Re: IPDSC today 09 Август 2009 г. 12:23 Hasn't IPDSC been always a division created by and thus subservient to IDSF ? Hasn't a question been asked by already that time suspicious Mr.McDonnald at an AGM , when he asked IDSF to confirm that IPDSC would be independent of IDSF. While he received a confirmation, who is not aware of the old saying about singing sweetly to a canary if one wishes canary to be back in the safety of a cage ? Naturally there are exceptions, some top Amateur competitors-turned- Professionals, under IDSF flag, have been rewarded, artificially elevated their World ranking, have enjoyed and have been enjoying a brief and quickly disappearing moment of a perceived grandeur, on account of competing in much weaker field, because the better ( and much better ) Professionals turned to and stayed with WDC. The newly crowned Champions of the IPDSC World Dance Professional Title is impressive only to those unfamiliar with dance, and they don't care about dance anyway. Now a days IDSF introduces new Rules, new fee schedules, and the list of apparently self -serving improvements, with little real value to the Professionals ( and Amateurs ) and same goes in their IPDSC division , where the Professionals need approvals as to where and where they can dance , where they can show or not show their skills, which impacts Professionals earning potential.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Февруари 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: IPDSC today 09 Август 2009 г. 16:31 Hasn't IPDSC been always a division created by and thus subservient to IDSF ? mmm!! So what was said during a Court action? http://www.idsf.net/press/2007/02_2007.pdf We read "WDC's lawyers argued that these IPDSC Championship were being planned by IDSF". "Judge Garcia Durriff found that the Championships were not produced by IDSF but by a separate body - The International Professional DanceSport Council." What was said to convince the judge? Actually well worth reading the entire Press Release which is typical of many from IDSF. Note that the IDSF President writes "The inaugural IPDSC World Professional Championships were successfully conducted in Madrid on January 13th & 14th 2007. Despite short notice and the threats and attempted intimidation by WDC, the Championships attracted over 180 professional couples". Excuse me. over 180 couples! There were 47 in Standard and 43 in Latin which makes exactly 90 couples. 180 dancers with 110 from Italy!! In the 2008 Championships the numbers had fallen. Standard 35 couples (27 from Italy) Latin 32 couples (17 from Italy). In other words from 90 couples in 2007 down to 67 couples in 2008 . From 180 dancers in 2008 down to 134 dancers in 2008 with 88 from Italy and that is down again from 110 in 2008. A 33% reduction in just one year! How fantastic that we would never see IDSF doing the things of which they accuse others when they occupy the high moral ground. IDSF threatening, intimidating, banning we would never see that. Or would we!! Note that the IDSF President writes "However, in order to keep our obligations as an internationally recognised sports federation. we must also work clearly and correctly to develop the sport with professionals who accept modern sporting principles and practices like democratic decision making and IOC/WADA Anti Doping codes and controls". Come on dancers - which of you in accordance with democratic decision making voted to have competitions banned to you and to see fellow competitors suspended simply for dancing? Which of you voted to have judges suspended for carrying out their Professional duties? Who voted to "p. in a bottle"? Which of you actually voted to be part of IDSF anyway? Rephrase those 3 questions : which of you were given the chance by IDSF to vote on anything? I would suggest however that the stories reporting disarray in IPDSC and the strained relations are possibly the main interest here. Could one area of disagreement surround the winners of the so called "World Games" Standard. At the IPDSC AGM in December 2008 it was stated that they would put a stop to couples dancing as Professionals and then returning to dance as Amateurs.
goldfinger Joined on 13 Март 2009 Total posts: 16	Re: IPDSC today 11 Август 2009 г. 12:23 At the IPDSC AGM in December 2008 it was stated that they would put a stop to couples dancing as Professionals and then returning to dance as Amateurs. Yet, a felt disappointment / regrets were expressed that Canada's OADA was set back by their members way back into past, by voting down a motion which, if it had been allowed to pass, would have allow Professionals returning to dance as Amateurs . Disappointment over delaying this the process by only 6 months ? Whatever has happened since Dec.2008 to make a 180 degrees U-turn ?
openeyes Joined on 07 Януари 2009 Total posts: 28	Re: IPDSC today 12 Август 2009 г. 07:46 goldfinger at that same IPDSC AGM the IPDSC president welcomed the IDSF president and thanked him adding the words "even though we don't love each other all the time". It seems that there are fewer and fewer times that they "love each other" When you write about a 180 degrees U-turn do you mean by IPDSC? I have not heard that they have dropped their intentions. It is probably the situation at the World Games that has provoked real problems for IPDSC. The IPDSC will learn the hard way who rules the roost. They should never have rushed into the "trap" and divided the Pro world. Division always creates weakness.
goldfinger Joined on 13 Март 2009 Total posts: 16	Re: IPDSC today 12 Август 2009 г. 16:35 Re- I have not heard that they ( IPDSC ) have dropped their intentions. If they had not, what consequences are there for IPDSC Professional for dancing with and beating a field of World Amateurs ? If IPDSC were to put a stop to their Pro members dancing with Amateurs , the fact the competition was called World Games would have not allowed, or, given permission to IPDSC to make / allow / tolerate and/or close eyes and make exceptions. If what IPDSC says , and if their "good intentions " are to be believed and found credible, IPDSC must support their "good intentions" with action. Will P.Bosco pass on his Wold games title to the couple which placed second ? Would the second p;ace, now Crowned winners pass trophy onto the third, because they themselves act as Professionals, and will the their place fore go the glory admitting they themselves live lives of dancing professionals, earning 90+ % income from dance ? Suppose people living in a glass house should be careful before throwing stones. Pretty messy a situation, and while not illegal, quite questionable on the morally grounds, I feel .