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Re: A LEGAL FUND


jazz Joined on 07 Април 2005 Total posts: 444	Re: A LEGAL FUND 16 Август 2009 г. 20:42 Overwhelming response ? No. So far Jazz received two responses. One 100 % negative = a rejection, suppose Diamondgirl l will not send Jazz $10 . Second, from Onyourtoes who welcomes the idea and is ready to put his/her words in action, so far just in writing, willing to part with not just $ 10, but pledging to pay for all legal aspects unaware of the magnitude. Unusual, to say the least, and ti be kind . Really ? Lets work it : $10 would get Jazz to and from a lawyer , using a local transportation, and Jazz would be stuck with the legal bill, never mind the time it would take, and time is money. Upon submission of the bill Jazz would likely be unable to collect from a person exhibiting willingness to cooperate under just a nickname, because suddenly there would be other requirements to be met. What if Jazz provides the sought information and submits you the lawyers bill ? Will Onyourtoes back out saying the bill is too high ? Will Oonyourtoes make smart remarks suggesting Jazz would use the fund to promote her CDF , something suggested in the past ? Is there any indication there will be many , and we'd need thousands, joining the moneys collection ? I see no positive comments. One rejection and one challenge. If you are willing to send moneys to Jazz, not having a slightest idea who you are sending moneys to , you would be probably willing to send your moneys to just about anyone having no idea how the moneys would be used, what administrative fees would be charged, and if Jazz was inexperienced in administering the fund, what if the moneys were depleted on hair colour. That's how much $10 buys these days . Can you see how ridiculous the idea is ? While disagreeing on some miner points with you Onyourtoes, so far you showed experience , interest and intellect, and Jazz felt challenged. Your challenge is amusing but without teeth. First, it would be foolish to do what you suggest even if the name, bank account, legal info. were provided, because the whole idea is to put moneys to a good use in some sort of A .B. C order - in order of priority. Would you and those expected of depositing / supporting the funds be agreeing with each other to pull the rope at the same end , in the same direction ? How would you ackomplish this. there is no communication, dancers don't even bother to excercise their rights, and vote for what they believe in, and agaist what they oppose during their's AGMs. If the fund would have been set up in such a amateurish and irresponsible manner, Jazz and her many friends, who all work very hard to earn living, would not part with a single dollar to support such a fund. Wasted moneys. Probably on a hair colour. Jazz considered the legal fund an interesting idea, gave the idea a thought and informed the readers of her reasons why she thought it would not work. If the Fund were properly set up it would be supported by a handful of supporters, Onyourtoes being one, and after the first legal challenge, which the opponents would try to stretch into a distance well aware the handful of Legal fund supporters will never want to pay for legal expenses for the benefit of the unknown others ( those who could not care less ), the account would be depleted , lawyer left unpaid, retainer fees used up.... the game would be over. @Diamondgirl It is easy to criticize others and say just this is good , that is not good. Tell us why . Why not spend little time and give us the benefit of what you think ? Would you send jazz $10 ? Whom would you send $ 10 and under what circumstances, what would you expect them to do with your moneys, where should they spend it first ? Think ! Come back when ready. This is not about Jazz, not about Onyourtoes. Banning people for expressing their ideas, exploring possibilities, uncovering flaws and errors is not nice. Supporting and nodding to people for suggesting ideas you like takes no effort. You are not a lazy , or with no ideas of your own , and Blond , are you ? Suggesting new topics, exploring positives and negatives in other than a superficial level take time, effort, and if you do not like the outcome, say it, just don't ban anyone for doing it.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Февруари 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: A LEGAL FUND 17 Август 2009 г. 07:57 onyourtoes Jazz - Thank you for your wonderful offer. All you need do and I will happily send even more than my $10 is : provide your full name, Bank Details and number for the special account you would set up. I would also need address of your solicitor to verify that you had complied with all legal aspects. Any charge your solicitor may make I will cover. ----
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Февруари 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: A LEGAL FUND 17 Август 2009 г. 08:09 jazz If you are willing to send moneys to Jazz, not having a slightest idea who you are sending moneys to , . ---- Jazz I will not retaliate in the same style as you. Unofurtunately yet again you make up your own version. To clarify for you, I made my position very clear "your full name" not "Jazz". Verification from your solicitor that you were complying with legal requirements. You not prepared to do things legally - why volunteer. Just say you now reneging on your previous offer. You continue to post your replies and once again try to detract attention away from a good idea and one that is absolutely workable if there is the desire. I simply have no interest in playing your games. I think almost all people who have posted have added that it is a great idea but dancer apathy will be the downfall. Do you know anything about the EU Treaty?
jazz Joined on 07 Април 2005 Total posts: 444	Re: A LEGAL FUND 17 Август 2009 г. 13:54 Would Jazz send Onyourtoes $1 if she knew his/her real name, and a name of a solicitor that legal requirements are met ? No, Jazz is not at all interested to know more about Onyourtoes and while Jazz could bet $1, Jazz is not the gambling type. Could Onyourtoes perform and satisfy Jazz , other than talk big, poke and come too quickly, which can be misunderstood, to conclusions, repeat, and copy what others say ? Having a solicitor' and administrator's real name do not guarantee good performance, and the performance and the Fund management and the right decision making is what is of essence. Unable to avoid being redundant, this Forum is all about opinions, news, ideas, whether readers think they are good, bad or ugly, about information. This is really not about Jazz or Onyourtoes being right, how much authority he or she may have, how smart one is, or how blond is another, a trap some of us get caught and unable to get out of in. Jazz will conclude by repeating the third time, and the last time , the idea of the Legal Fund is interesting, there are just too many flaws, loose ends and without concrete plan, it is an idealistic reaching for and wanting some of the blue in the sky. If you want to part with $10, send it to Admin., at least he puts it to a good use. As for Jazz she will hold on her moneys , and privacy, there is good sale coming for L'oreal Hair Colour. It may cost little more but guess who is worth it ? (Re- EU Treaty ? Why ? Is there any article you do not understand, need clarified , or changed ? Jazz did not write it, she is not responsible for any omissions, if you have a grief deal with it . Do you know anything about OJ Treaty ? )
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Февруари 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: A LEGAL FUND 17 Август 2009 г. 15:34 propro I hope I will have your understanding but I have relocated the topic to the "onyourtoes" forum. Hopefully there we can have sensible contributions from those who can see the merits of the idea. Those who understand that a great deal of careful thought and planning would be required. Those who are not filled with negativity even if there would be enormous struggles to overcome dancer apathy something we all understand could be a major handicap.
webminder Joined on 13 Ноември 2008 Total posts: 46	Re: A LEGAL FUND 17 Август 2009 г. 19:59 onyourtoes propro I hope I will have your understanding but I have relocated the topic to the "onyourtoes" forum. Hopefully there we can have sensible contributions from those who can see the merits of the idea. ---- Yes, hopefully, but not if Onyourtoes keeps pilfering good topics and moving them into his own Forum where he edits, censors and tries to elaborate. This is a second time. First it was Webminder who introduced the topic regarding IOC's proposal to admit rugby and softball in 2016 Olympics- the thread pilfered and further developed as something new in the private Forum as if his own, now I see pro-pros Legal Fund Idea pilfered with an explanation the reason for it was that he receives "sensible contributions". I suppose that Onyourtoes censors out all contributors who disagree with the idea, that the resulting conclusion will be that all those who would contribute would be in 100% agreement the idea is great . Is that what pro-pro had in mind before he was informed his Topic would be hijacked ? Is this a trend readers of the Dancesportinfo.net Forum can expect in the future ? Censorship ? Using other's Topics for own purposes and to bully and ignore those who differ in their opinions ? -------- In my opinion the legal fund could work providing lots of time and thought is put into it. Pro-pro, Onyourtoes< Dancer 007 and also Jazz are correct, even though you all have a slightly different angle, you all agree on the approach in the principle. I would never suggest to start sending anyone moneys unless there is an agreement inplace how the moneys would be administred, and Jazz is right in suggesting that the Administrator's wings would have to be clipped aand the compensable expences be specified in order to protect the principal deposits. Realizing no one would take such a responsibility for free, unless a fanatic, and I would not wish to send amy contribution to such a place. Besides, why would anyone wich to start a war in the court of law. The only winner would be the party which has the most moneys to endure the cost of long lasting litigations. I believe there is a better approach to dancers upsets. They should either get together and try change what they dislike, or quit and dance where they want. There is such an option, it is easy, no legal Fund is required - with all the headaches, and it is immediate and long lasting.
jazz Joined on 07 Април 2005 Total posts: 444	Re: A LEGAL FUND 18 Август 2009 г. 01:13 No problem. more places of discussing important topics the better, at least there is no deletions in this truly "Open" forum. Interesting how some critique censorship of IDSF and censor and themselves try punish/humiliate those who disagree with them , or try elaborate, or develop idea themselves. Stick around a few years, you'll get used to it. Once you published your idea belongs to the World, there is no ownership. This 'legal fund' may be unavoidable in some shape or form, especially if IDSF institutes their liability insurance requirement and the insured people get sued by those claiming damage. Injuries happen, the insurance companies will try avoid long and costly litigation and will try quickly settle out of court, and there will be some abusing the system. It will not be nice, TOM has already written about this somewhere in the past.
propro Joined on 05 Януари 2009 Total posts: 71	Re: A LEGAL FUND 18 Август 2009 г. 06:03 onyourtoes. No problem at all and a wise move. Better those who do contribute understand the actual thought behind the suggestion, the considerable work necessary. We can do without negativity and verbosity and personal abuse being hurled about.
diamondgal Joined on 05 Януари 2009 Total posts: 31	Re: A LEGAL FUND 18 Август 2009 г. 11:43 jazz @Diamondgirl It is easy to criticize others and say just this is good , that is not good. Tell us why . This is not about Jazz, not about Onyourtoes. Banning people for expressing their ideas, exploring possibilities, uncovering flaws and errors is not nice. Supporting and nodding to people for suggesting ideas you like takes no effort. You are not a lazy , or with no ideas of your own , and Blond , are you ? Suggesting new topics, exploring positives and negatives in other than a superficial level take time, effort, and if you do not like the outcome, say it, just don't ban anyone for doing it. ---- @ Jazz. Sorry but I do not want to be like you. No one suggested bans for expressing ideas. There is a world of difference between expressing ideas etc and your habit of continual rude posts, attacking people and constant disruption of topics. You write "Not about onyourtoes". Come on do not deceive yourself as you have a total fixation and cannot make even one post without bringing the name up. You seem so jealous of someone who seems to have deep knowledge and constantly brings us very interesting information. Now I go to the new topic and hope that there can be no more personal comments about me and other members.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Февруари 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: A LEGAL FUND 18 Август 2009 г. 13:11 webminder Yes, hopefully, but not if Onyourtoes keeps pilfering good topics and moving them into his own Forum where he edits, censors and tries to elaborate. This is a second time. First it was Webminder who introduced the topic regarding IOC's proposal to admit rugby and softball in 2016 Olympics- the thread pilfered and further developed as something new in the private Forum as if his own, ---- Pilfered? This is becoming desperate. One feels sorry for some. Taked a look here http://www.dancesportinfo.net/Forum/6464/PostList.aspx Posted by me 15TH JUNE under heading 2 new Medal sports for Olympics 2016 onyourtoes The decision on the 2 new sports gets closer and the vote will be in August. Seven Sports are under consideration. Sit down DanceSPORTS fans you are not there. Forget 2020, 2024 , 2028 and ........... Whilst IOC recognition might have brought tons of trouble, fighting, division, arrogance, and punitive action it has brought little if any benefit. A plague on the IOC I say. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/more/03/27/new-olympic-sports.ap/index.html?eref=si_more ---- Dont worry webminder I will not make childish accusations. Still trying to work out the link between your words on the Olympics topic and the Legal Fund.