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onyourtoes Joined on 12 Февруари 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: LEGAL FUND - by propro. New position in forum 17 Август 2009 г. 15:36 propro Every few days you read here about dancers who are tired of the restrictions placed upon them by IDSF. This is not an organisation to which they belong and they pay NO membership fee and they are denied their democratic rights.. The cost of going to court by an individual couple is high and thus many are put off. Could this be the time to launch an appeal for a LEGAL FUND? Ask every dancer who feels that was to contribute something like $10 (more if they wish) and take the IDSF to European Court of Human Rights? Or is there so much apathy that those who complain would not wish to contribute? ---- propro Where there is the will there is the way. As the OADA dancer have shown sometimes democracy can win if the competitors have the determination to achieve something they want. Naturally this. - if it were to go ahead,. would need to be well co-ordinated and managed with proper accountability. Perhaps a well known figure could be persuaded to take the helm (or even a legal figure appointed or volunteering) to take the helm and administer. Their could be local co-ordinators for various areas. It could even be that within each dance club one person took control for that club and arranged for collection of the funds. It is even possible that fund raising events could take place. There are so many ways that this avenue could be pursued BUT it needs to be driven by the dancers themselves. If people want to look only for negatives rather than positives it can never succeed. If people want to see it as a contest between one country and another it can never suceed. Life is filled with instances where freeloaders have gained on the back of the efforts of others but that should never be used as an excuse for inaction. The entire fund would be for two purposes only both for the benefit of all. One being that dancers have the freedom to join more than one Federation/Council/Union or whatever. Those who wish to remain with only one can retain that position.The other being that dancers plan their own career without fear of reprisals and punsihment. The IDSF is a European Based organisation it seems proper, to my thinking, to bring the legal action in Europe. The precedence would be set on a world wide basis however and prevent IDSF overruling National bodies worldwide as happens now. Since there has only been the one comment in the topic I already have the feeling that dancers love to complain but shy away from actually doing something. ---- dancer 007 propro- I for one congratulate you. I hve been saying for ages that the EEC have outlawed these practises long ago and your proposal would fly ! Let's see. ---- onyourtoes dancer007 I agree with you. A thought that came to my mind. In the recent topic about "Assen here we go again" we had contributions from 2 Netheralnds dancers SambamanX and Koningisidoor. SambamanX mentioned the CSA. Is it possible this would be one step for the use of the fund? Are there Netherlands dancers who might accept the position of "fund leader"? I for one would do everything I could to help, to raise awareness, and try to achieve the largest possible fund. Over to you dancers. Will be great if the OADA members come in on this one.. ---- propro The purpose is very clear. $10 is a major amount for North American dancers? They care only about their own patch ? My suggestion was for the benfit of the many rather than for the few. I am aware that it is a rather unlikely event. ---- diamondgal thesuggested fund, which is a great idea, but will not come about because of the apathy of dancers. ---- onyourtoes To clarify for you, I made my position very clear " a full name" not "****". and Verification from your solicitor that you were complying with legal requirements. You not prepared to do things legally - why volunteer. Just say you now reneging on your previous offer. I think almost all people who have posted have added that it is a great idea but dancer apathy will be the downfall. Article 82 of the European Union Treaty provides very clear grounds for legal action on the abuse of their dominant position by the IDSF, plus a few more artciles . propro as you wisely said - where there is the will there is the way.
propro Joined on 05 Януари 2009 Total posts: 71	Re: LEGAL FUND - by propro. New position in forum 18 Август 2009 г. 06:11 Amongst the many thoughts I have had was that an approach could be made to the Competitors Commission and see if they would act as Adminstrators. There are other possibilities but will not name names for now. At the International Champs perhaps permission could be obtained to make a collection. Dancers who might not be able to attend could pass the monies to someone from the club who would attend. They would provide an e mail address where acknowledgment of the contribution could be sent and at very little cost. Then there is the Dutch Open and the WDC AL World Championship followed by UK Open. There are so many ways if the dancers themselves are genuine in the cry "I only want to dance"
diamondgal Joined on 05 Януари 2009 Total posts: 31	Re: LEGAL FUND - by propro. New position in forum 18 Август 2009 г. 11:46 propro you are right and it is great to see positive thinking. Two other bodies that came to my mind are IDU and IDSA. Through their national members they have the possibility to galvanise opinion in many countries.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Февруари 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: LEGAL FUND - by propro. New position in forum 22 Август 2009 г. 09:11 Good suggestions propro and diamondgal. Perhaps we should all get busy networking.